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Where's that Lizard?!

Last week, the Web Standards Project posted an open letter to Netscape, criticizing the project's delays and accusing it of ceding the browser market to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. WSP, which enthusiastically supported Netscape's gesture of open-sourcing the browser and the Mozilla project's goal of a standards-compliant browser, is disappointed that development has taken two years to develop the browser.

Mozilla advocates reacted strongly to the accusations, and have gone to lengths to point out all that's been accomplished with the Mozilla project.

O'Reilly Network brought together Tim Bray, a member of the Web Standards Project's Steering Committee, and David Boswell, head of Mozilla development at Alphanumerica, to explain their relative positions.

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Tim Bray -- photo by Dave Winer of

Tim Bray
CEO of Antarctica Systems
Member of the Web Standards Project's steering committee
Co-editor of XML standard

"Right at the moment, the biggest problem in the browser space is that there's only one out there, in the minds of a distressing number of people. We profoundly believe that the most important thing the Internet needs is a move towards a standards-based approach to doing business. And we just don't see how that's going to happen if there's only one browser out there ... We have been supportive in the past of the Mozilla project and I think we still are. But no matter how wonderful it is, its absence is part of the big standards problem rght now on the Web."

David Boswell
Head of Mozilla Development at Alphanumerica
Organizer of Second Mozilla Developers Meeting

"It's funny, one of the things that originally was started to be the biggest time saver has turned out to be, at least from the outside, what attracts the most criticism as being the biggest delay, and that is XUL, the XML-based user-interface language. Originally that was started to cut time dramatically for creating front-ends on Mozilla and/or Netscape on different platforms."

David Boswell

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