Eclipse Europa

by Dejan Bosanac

On 29 June, Eclipse community will be richer for the new Europa release. It is a coordinate release of 21 Eclipse Foundation projects. The main component of this release is certainly new 3.3 version of the Eclipse Platform. Others include prominent projects from domains of administration, modeling, development and tools, such as Eclipse Communications Framework (ECF), Eclipse Modeling Framework Project (EMF), Dynamic Languages Tool Kit (DLTK) and Business Intelligence Reporting Tools (BIRT).
This is definitely an important Eclipse release and a good news for all Eclipse users.

24 Comments

Don
2007-06-15 05:07:57
Er, to be honest the only thing that gets me excited is the admission (finally) by the devs that drag-drop is a real necessity..
JR
2007-06-15 06:21:05
can i get a show of hands who actually uses all these tools?
Stefan
2007-06-15 06:29:37
JR: Now why would you require anyone to use ALL tools? That's just as absurd to complain to your local hardware store "who uses all these tools". Probably no one, however some uses some, others uses the others.
tl
2007-06-19 06:41:16
Eclipse is still a horrible user experience after years of development. It's too bad the devs pursue all this nonsense instead.
Patrick Carroll
2007-06-19 06:53:07
I use Eclipse all the time. I like it. Apart from occasionally running out of memory and crashing, it's pretty solid.


And you can't beat it for the price.

tl
2007-06-19 13:36:56
If the Eclipse foundation (or whatever) announced it would be available only at a price, how much would you be willing to pay for it? That's the true measure.


You obviously don't understand the costs of programming inefficiency.


Eclipse "Europa", WTF?

Don
2007-06-21 06:18:48
tl: That's a dumb question, and you know it. Since when has open source software - or proprietary software for that matter - been merited on it's cost(at least to developers - and hello, this is a developer tool!!)? If Eclipse were a mainstream proprietary application, it could never have the flexibility that it now enjoys, nor would it have the community group effort to make it what it has become.


Given that a for-sale product would have a lot more resources available to it (and hopefully better, friendlier support), Eclipse as a for-sale product wouldn't hold much interest for me. It's still too quirky with a lot of languages (needing multiple plugins - most of which would not be free, or easy to use on a proprietary IDE); developers are very slow to implement "garden furniture" technology (drag-drop anyone?); among other things it also is very unstable when the OS falls down (while Delphi is notorious for instability, it still saves files properly when it - or windows - falls over).

tl
2007-06-21 09:45:15
Eclipse users are penny-wise, pound-foolish.
Little talker
2007-06-22 00:22:32
Hey tl, if you don't like eclipse go use netbeans, IDEA, or VI and shut up.
tl
2007-06-22 07:44:24
I use IDEA but in the past have used Emacs and Eclipse.


I wish I could just use what I want and shut up, but unfortunately I'm surrounded with people like you who are forcing Eclipse on entire project teams because it's "free" and we are paying dearly for this.


It's amazing how much abuse people will put up with, as long as it 's "free".

caf
2007-06-22 11:19:15
I'll abuse you for free...


It's not just the free that interests alot of people, but also the open source.


I will admit, Europa looks good. I've always preferred eclipse to netbeans or jbuilder - or even Visual Studio - because it just supports so many languages and project types. Vi will always be my first choice, however.

patrick
2007-06-25 10:34:08
tl:


I agree that there are some better tools then eclipse - but in a bureaucratic organization, the convenience of just downloading a tool and using it, rather then forming a committee to test all the available tools, decide which one everyone likes and waiting 6 months for the PO to get approved makes Eclipse very appealing:)

Siva Rama Krishna
2007-06-25 19:30:33
java , j2ee basics
nigel
2007-06-25 21:13:03
why is eclipse's open source any better than netbeans's open source... don't they apply equally ?
Steve
2007-06-29 14:26:51
Eclipse is a true community of developers. The idea is to "give back" to the community.


NetBeans is a Sun application masquerading as open source. They use Microsoft marketing tactics and attempt to "tie" it to Java SE downloads.

Peter
2007-07-01 21:10:56
Steve: Eclipse is a true community of developers.


A true community of IBM developers :-)


Eclipse was originally based on Visual Age - though I admit they've a fair few other contributors now.

Steve
2007-07-02 12:43:47
Peter, here's a small sampling of official Eclipse committers: BEA, Borland, Intel, Nokia, Motorola, Oracle, Sybase, Wind River (and yes, IBM). You can see for yourself at http://www.eclipse.org/membership/exploreMembership.php
Peter
2007-07-04 10:47:42
"Eclipse "Europa", WTF?"


that's why ...stop coding once in while and READ SOMETHING ELSE!!!


And hitherward the shore, where thou, Europa!
Mad'st thee a joyful burden: and yet more
- Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy

David Jones
2007-07-16 12:11:29
What I object to is when a IDE is forced on people in the name of standards. As long as you are productive, support yourself and do not force your IDE on other team members I really do not care.


Dave A
2007-07-25 04:36:10
The comment by David Jones is the key - A developer should use what is best for them. Techies are a bit like politicians - whatever you say, the techie will (usually) find some way to disagree, then try to show that they are cleverer (hence the reason when so many techies write complex code instead of keeping things simple - they think simple won't show how clever they are). If techie no.1 wants to use Eclipse and techie no.2 wants to use IDEA, then techie no.1 should leave techie no.2 alone. It's the code that matters, and the productivity. Of course if the project is a plugin rcp swt/jface project then techie no.2 better f... move over to Eclipse!
Sherry C
2007-08-21 04:27:35
When you going from Eclipse 3.2 to 3.3 (Europa) I do
not see the j2ee perspetive. Any clues?
JT
2008-01-15 08:04:18
Dave A, the problem with that arises when two developers with very different preferences are working on the same project. IDEA for example has xml files where it keeps up with the project and that causes problems for other ide(s) and vice versa. It's a nice idea to be able to say to each developer, "Use what works for you and you like best." Unfortunately in a team development environment that's not really a practical thing to attempt. I've been having huge problems with Eclipse Europa and the WebToolsPlatform crashing without any warning at all. Don't have a solution yet but it's very frustrating at this point.


Children Furniture
2008-01-27 00:21:04
Hello,


Finally I found a blog that shares my interests. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Raj
2008-08-03 23:49:52
I am using eclipse Europa{it is getting restart after 15 minutes Automatically)


Please suggest.


Thanks