Mayonnaise on the Mac

by Francois Joseph de Kermadec

Should Apple bundle ClamAV with Mac OS X? I have a yes, a no and plenty of maybes in store for you.


Jason Deraleau
2006-02-17 09:42:18
Mac OS X Server already has an implementation of ClamAV in place for its mail filtering. So, a good portion of the work is probably done already...
Kyle Johnson
2006-02-17 10:18:58
I'm pretty sure Apple already bundles it with OSX Server for use with postfix (scanning messages for email viruses). So bundling it with the client wouldn't be much of a leap, although they defintely will need more GUI for folks to have that "Mac experience" with it.

I use ClamXAV now and love it, if I could just find instructions for enabling signed updates I'd be happy.

Vance Dubberly
2006-02-17 10:37:21
I would be a very smart thing for Apple to do. As a user I really don't view my operating systems defending itself from attack as an "add-on" service. It is an essential aspect of the OS, that a user has to pay extra for this as a service is absurd. Kinda like paying extra for "Seat Belts."
Josh Peters
2006-02-17 11:04:57
The timing is bad right now for Apple to do something like this. Bundling ClamAV would only serve to provide more fodder for those people who equate OSX and Windows security-wise, as they'll just say "if there're no viruses for the mac, why do they ship with an anti-virus." As foolish as that sounds, that would be detrimental to the Apple brand, so it's not worth doing. Of course, they could do it and not publicize it, but I doubt that Apple would go that route either.
Robert Pritchett
2006-02-17 16:39:38
My take on ClamXav:
2006-02-17 22:47:53
If Apple is going to bundle AV, this sounds like a good one to go with, especially given the other comments. However, it must be easy to turn off completely. Personally, I would never want to use any AV on a Mac, and I sure wouldn't want to suffer the large performance hit from scanning everything going through my system for something I'm not using. Like the firewall, ship it, but turned off. Let users turn it on if it'll make them feel better.
2006-02-18 02:25:31
I don't agree Jeremy. Ship all security features (firewall, av, etc) turned on but inform users about how to turn them off and if they do want to turn them off display a warning. For advanced Mac users this may be a slight inconvenience but for a lot of users it will help save them from nasty things. In my view it's better to start out with everything bolted down and then open things up if you want to, rather than everything open (and risking attacks and exploits) and then close it off.