Open Source Java Solution Proposed

by Steve Mallett

Related link: http://osconblog.osdir.com/node/view/10



What I thought was going to be one of the more lively debates/sessions here at OSCON was a moderated session with Tim O'Reilly, Eric Raymond, Simon Phipps, Bruno "biggest JUG" Pres, from Brazil, and as it turned out Brian Behlendorf.

Tim played the voice of reason asking each participant for their views, and really, Brian's was the one that, while we've heard it before, showed the frustration present in dealing with Sun around Java.

As it turned out the debate was very mild and calm, Simon Phipps disarmed the panel by saying outright that Java isn't open source yet. But one suggestion from the floor shook the panel, and all agreed that it was a valid possible solution to making Java open source while making all parties happy.

The video captures the moment.

7 Comments

jwenting
2004-07-28 23:09:27
won't work
The only thing that will make the zealots like ESR happy is releasing control of the JLS into their hands (effectively abandoning any standard at all) so they can go ahead with the destruction through diversification of the platform.


P.S. your movie doesn't show up, gives just a blank screen.

spaceman
2004-07-29 04:48:19
won't work
"(effectively abandoning any standard at all) so they can go ahead with the destruction through diversification of the platform."


One thing that was discussed in the session that is not on the tape is that we in the open source community don't understand why the Java world thinks that 'open sourcing' java leads to destruction of any kind. A conclusion was that there is a disconnection in semantics between our two groups, and that we need to talk more to come to a better understanding of what each group really understands that appears to be being lost in translation.


As for the movie.. I just dbl checked it here. Looks good. It's a QT movie if that helps.

bazzargh
2004-07-29 06:57:19
won't work
The movie doesn't work. QT asks for QT authoring extensions to open it, and if you save it to disk and open it it tries to find missing files "Centred Title 01", "Clip 01", and "Subtitle 01"... makes me think its in "works for me" mode?
spaceman
2004-07-29 07:03:20
won't work
Hmm, ok, I'm on it....
spaceman
2004-07-29 07:11:20
won't work
OK, how's this one: http://osconblog.osdir.com/movies/OSCON6/OSJava-2.mov
bazzargh
2004-07-29 08:00:24
won't work
that's working now - thanks. And since it's only just breakfast time over in Portland - don't you ever sleep!!?? :)
spaceman
2004-07-29 08:07:57
won't work
Sleeping is for the weak! Oh, plus I'm still on east-coast time.


If you could see the bags under my eyes....