Why Is Firefox For Linux So Terribly Broken?

by Caitlyn Martin

I've been a big fan of Firefox since practically the beginning, back when it was called Phoenix or Firebird. I like the way Firefox does things. It's feature rich and the UI is well thought out. Sadly, lately, for me Firefox has become unusable.

I'm currently running Firefox on three Linux distributions: Vector Linux 5.1, Fedora Core 5, and Xubuntu Dapper 6.06. On all three the browser crashes frequently on all sorts of web sites seemingly at random. I've had it happen on a diverse variety of sites, generally fairly complex ones, ranging from eBay to the Israeli daily newspaper Yediot Ahranot. There is one website, one I use all the time, that will always cause Firefox to crash: Yahoo! Mail. Any attempt to read mail on the Yahoo! website generates a crash. Yes, the Mozilla Quality Feedback Agent pops up and yes, I dutifully send in my report. I've talked to friends who run Firefox on Windows and it's stable on that platform, even on Yahoo! Mail. On Linux, however, it is totally unstable to the point of unusable. This wasn't true of the 1.0.x releases but has been the case, and has seemingly gotten worse, with each 1.5.x release.

The net result is that I find myself using either Opera or Konqueror. They work just fine. Other browsers based on Mozilla's gecko engine do not. Flock crashes the same way Firefox does while Epiphany and Seamonkey just hang. It's frequent enough and annoying enough that I've all but abandoned all of these browsers.

So... what is going on? Is Mozilla working on this? Do they still care about us relatively few Linux folk or is a stable Windows platform good enough for them?


2006-08-05 12:52:18
I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.x on SuSE 10.0 and Fedora FC2 and did not have a single crash for month. But I'm not using Yahoo Mail.
I recommend to install the Adbock and NoScript extension. Both increase security and may increase stability. Although, I can't promise it will fix your problem.
Caitlyn Martin
2006-08-05 13:16:11
Tdot: I suspect your usage patterns are very different from mine. I can't use Yahoo! Mail without Javascript. The NoScript extension is the very last thing I ever want to install. It would reneder too many sites which are important to me useless.

Yahoo! Mail is a very popular site. If Firefox didn't crash there I'd have an annoyance instead of a serious prbolem. If I dropped the Hebrew language websites I'd have a lot fewer crashes still. Do you visit any such sites? I'd bet not.

Could the problem be Javascript? In a large part that is entirely possible, It still needs to be fixed before Firefox will ever be useful to me.

Terry Laurenzo
2006-08-05 14:14:36
I use Firefox on FC5 and Ubuntu Dapper very heavily and have not noticed any Firefox specific crashes. I know that the most frustrating thing to hear is "It works for me", so I'll tell you the things I have noticed that can make Firefox crash quite consistently:

- Flash. Flash 7 on Linux is so horribly broken that Macromedia (now Adobe) shouldn't be able to keep a straight face when talking about it. My primary platform is x86_64, so I can't get Flash and FF is very stable. I have Flash installed on my 32-bit machine and I get a fair number of Flash related crashes. Loading a page with Flash content on Linux is like playing Russian Roulette... it may work 5 times and crash the 6th.

- Java. Sun has been talking about open sourcing Java for years but until they do, the Java plugin for Linux is next to worthless. The reason: distributors can't rebuild Java or the plugin to match the compiler and libraries on each distribution. Symptoms of a mismatch include random freezes and crashes when a Java applet tries to use the Java->JavaScript bridge to interact with the browser.

Since you have to typically make a special effort to install either of these plugins on Linux, you would probably know if you did. If you disable these and it still crashes, then I'm out of ideas.

One thing: It looks like you are primarily using KDE. Almost all of my experience is with Gnome. It's one of those things that shouldn't make a difference, but you never know.

Caitlyn Martin
2006-08-05 14:30:18
Yes, Flash and Java are installed. Yes, I need those for sites I visit. Java is, for certain, installed in Opera as well and it almost never crashes.

I don't generally run KDE or Gnome when I'm using an English language though both are installed on most of my machines to allow me to run specific apps that require one or the other. I mostly run XFCE nowadays. When using a Hebrew desktop I'm usually in KDE. I don't think this is at all desktop-environment specific.

Let me make one point really clear: disabling features and functionality is not an acceptable answer since I can get it all to work in other browsers.

2006-08-05 14:32:17
The fact that it is a non english web site, doesn't make the problem less relevant. The usage numbers of Firefox are higer outside of the USA (If I remember correctly), and Mozilla should gurentee not to make localization and related issues less relevant. This bias will only work against it.

Right now, Firefox sucks on Linux in many ways - mainly integration with the desktop. For BiDi users, there's a nother issue: when using Hebrew (and maybe Arabic) key board, some of the most important keyboard shortcuts (Ctl+C, Ctl+A, Ctl+V) don't work. You have to switch back to English to copy and paste (using the keyboard). This is absolutely outragoues, and it makes Open Source look redicullous. If I can not copy and paste on an average Linux desktop, why even bother talking people to switch?

2006-08-05 14:35:45
This post is mentioned on Linmagazine, btw. The problem with Yediot Haronot is well known and much discussed (not to say frustrating).
2006-08-05 14:43:00
The problem is most likely plugins or extensions. I recommend not using java and flash in your general-purpose browsing and run another instance, e.g. 'firefox -noremote -p [profile]', that does have those extensions specifically for java and flash sites.
Personally, I never have a problem with firefox since I stopped using greasemonkey and google-toolbar.

2006-08-05 14:44:03
As per the Yediot Haronot problem (seem more like a compliance issue):


Jonathan Ballet
2006-08-05 14:46:44
I don't have any of the issues with Firefox on Linux...
A while ago, I had some random crashes, but it seems to came from a corrupted Firefox profile (at least, I manage to resolve those crashes by creating a new Firefox profile. Of course, it's not the best solution at all).

However, a thing which is _really_ annoying (if you Firefox behave correctly :p ) is the difference of speed under Linux vs. Windows : it's terribly slow on Linux :/
Loading pages take a lot of CPU, displaying Page info window take much longer, etc. I really hope those things will become better one day ...

ps : running Firefox on both Linux (Debian x86 & x86_64) and Windows plateforms

Caitlyn Martin
2006-08-05 15:59:50
Regarding the speed (or lack thereof) of Firefox under Linux, yes, I've blogged about that before. Opera, Konqueror, and even Epiphany, which is based on the Mozilla gecko engine, are all significantly faster at rendering web pages.

My complaint about Konqueror is all the KDE baggage that comes with it. Opera, at least until recently, wasn't Open Source. (Is it now? I don't even know.) Despite my defense of using propreitary software when there is no good or legal alternative which got me flamed roundly in my previous post, I do prefer to use Open Source Software whenever possible.

If YNet (Yediot Ahranot) has compliance issues (which wouldn't surprise me) I stil argue that the fact that it works properly under Opera and Konqueror means it *should* work under Firefox as well. Ditto Yahoo! Mail.

Ted, thanks for showing me the link on the Hebrew Linux Magazine website. Very nice :)

I'll stress my main point again: I have no doubt I can make Firefox work if I start disabling things or, better yet, simply stop visiting offending websites. The point is that other browsers work fine with exactly the same websites and functionality. That, by definition, makes Firefox an inferior browser, does it not? Firefox was the only browser that was gaining mindshare against IE. Doesn't anyone else see it's failings as serious?

I just hope Opera 9.01 starts gaining some traction.

2006-08-05 16:00:48
I use firefox 1.5 in Ubuntu and Kubuntu PPC (and OSX). I have used both Yahoo! Mail and Yahoo! Mail Beta in each. Not a single problem or crash that I can recall. It's very fast on a 733 G4 w/just over 1 gig of RAM (although I think Camino edges it on OSX). Since I have Java turned off (always, on every browser) and there is no Flash plug-in for PPC Linux, I agree with other comments suggesting your problems are most likely related to one or the other.

The FlashBlock extension is worth looking into ... it lets you control Flash and won't have much of an impact on browsing. I've never found a reason to run Java in a browser, but I think there's an extension that lets you switch Java on from the Status Bar when you need it. Sorry I don't have a link.

And, of course, it's always important to support open source projects by taking the time to file bug reports. Although it's possible in this case that Adobe and Sun have some work to do too ...

Caitlyn Martin
2006-08-05 17:20:06
OK, just for my own curiosity I cleaned out my plugins folder leaving only libnullplugin.so in place. That means all plugins are gone for now. I then tried to use firefox again.

It took a while, but YNet still crashes Firefox. It took much longer to crash Yahoo! Mail as well, as in I actually thought that might have been fixed. I then began adding plugins back, one at a time. Flash Player 7 makes things really, really unstable. It *is* part of the problem, but it isn't the whole problem. With plain vanilla Firefox I still had three crashes.

Bottom line: Yes, Flash for Linux sucks. Bad Adobe. Firefox for Linux? Still broken, even when used with no plugins at all. It's just not quite as badly broken. Clearly you can't just blame this on Sun or Adobe. Some of the blame has to go back to mozilla.org.

Finally, if we want people to migrate from Windows to Linux things that peolpe use everyday MUST work just as well in Linux as they do in Windows. That includes Flash.

Terry Laurenzo
2006-08-05 18:36:46
While consulting with a large company not too long ago, my job duties had me fairly close to the Adobe Flash group. As has been widely publicized, they *are* working on Flash player 9 for Linux. I've heard it straight from them that they are aware of the stability problems and that improving stability on linux is high on the priority list of things to fix. Of course, that was in response to me saying that I could not recommend their new Flash tools for the client until they got their porting problems straightened out.

I don't spend much time on non-English websites, so I can't comment on that front. With regard to your regular crashes, I can only say that it hasn't been my experience. Over the past 6 months I have done very heavy and intensive JavaScript development on FF/Linux. Sometimes I switch to Opera because the error reporting is better, but in general, I have found FF/Linux to be the most stable. I can generally keep the same FF instance up for *days* through numerous development iterations. Eventually it will slow down from what I can only figure is memory fragmentation, but in my recollection it has never crashed. OTOH, I can generally crash Opera quite easily (or at a minimum reduce it to a weeping, crying mess). Now I'm not trying to argue from the position that it works for me so it must work for everyone, but I am trying to point out that it can work and in fact does for a great many of us.

Regarding Opera being more stable with the plugins, my gut feeling is that they did a couple of things to help here:
- Used the same lowest common denominator GCC version that Adobe and Sun used to build Flash and Java respectively.
- Statically linked in a lot of libraries

In theory, the same can be done for Firefox. I HAVE heard reports that Firefox with the plugins runs much more reliably on the older Linux distros (think FC2) which are built with these older compilers and libraries. What would be really nice is if someone built a binary version of Firefox, compiled in exactly the same manner as the binary only plugins that are out there... make it similar to Portable Firefox on Windows so that you could just drop it in your home directory and run.

Anyway, I'm done rambling...

Will Macdonald
2006-08-06 09:49:07
the most likely problem is missing or corrupt fonts, or something in the plugins folder that shouldn't be their.

I have seen missing fonts crash a linux machine reliably. (by that I mean, every time a i started an app that used a specific font, the entire machine locked hard 100% of the time.)

2006-08-06 11:03:13
Can you try with a completely new profile, and post the address of the page that causes the problem?
2006-08-06 22:25:49

This also is an issue depending on how the browser is installed (as well as how java/flash/etc are installed). It could be caused by not having a symbolic link to the correct path for jre...the package could have been faulty when put together. Who knows.

I've had no problems using PCLinuxOS and FF with any of the websites you mentioned, NOR Yahoo Mail. I'm running PCLinuxOS .92 updated to current. Why don't you grab the recently released .93a at distrowatch.com and give it a try?

2006-08-06 22:47:56
Currently with Kubuntu 6.06, my Firefox is as stable as its ever been. I just arrived in the Kubuntu world, and its been really nice to have a distro which always works, especially after I suffered through some difficult Debian "Sid" months.

My baby uses Firefox for her Yahoo! mail, and has never had a problem with that site. I also have zero extensions installed, but I do have the plugins available with Automatix.

I've noticed some video (usually *.wmv) can cause Firefox to crash (when using the Kaffiene/MPlayer plugin) and that Java too has caused me many issues in the past, even when Java works in other browsers fine.

Good luck and let us know if anything comes of your issues.

Leon Brooks
2006-08-06 22:50:35
My missus uses Firefox constantly, for eBay and much other stuff, and it doesn't crash. Mandriva 2006.0 Free, if you're curious.

For file management, I (and she) use Konqueror. Un-beatable! (-:

Leon Brooks
2006-08-06 22:52:29
Currently up to mozilla-firefox-1.0.6, so I'll try updating that and see if it breaks.
Leon Brooks
2006-08-06 23:38:47
Version on Mandriva 2007.0beta (Thor) seems to run stably. Do you have a URL which reliably breaks yours?
Elwin Andriol
2006-08-07 00:25:41
I don't think this is a pure Firefox problem you are talking about. First of all, I'm using Firefox (always the latest) on a Debian Etch box. I can even remember when was the last time I had less than 3 windows with a total of around 60 or more tabs open at the same time. Additionaly I also have 16 extentions installed. I browse all kinds of web site, though I have to admit, Yahoo! mail isn't one of them. I prefer to stay away from Yahoo and Microsoft web sites in general. But, back on topic, my Firefox never crashed for months.

I do have an idee though what are typical weaknesses of Firefox. For one, if a single component or even and external process crashes it's very likely it will bring down the whole of Firefox with it. This often happens with badly configured media players, or mallformed data feeded to them. Sites using ActiveX compenents and do not have properly coded fall-backs for Linux, which does not have this sub-system (luckely), happen to crash Firefox from time to time, without any single point of failure to find. I still don't know why this happens, nor did I get any satisfying answer from the mozilla dev team on this problem. Just don't forget it's pretty easy for a web server to generate code that will crash Firefox (but Operara and MSIE aren't safe from it either).

Another common cause for Firefox to crash, if ever, are terribly designed web sites. Take it from me that the size or revenue of a company has no relation with the technical quality of their web sites, not even if they earn their money with them! Jsut have a look at the Leak Monitor plugin (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2490/) and you will get an idee of what I am talking about. Though these kind of leaks generally don't make Firefox crash on themselves, the can cause crashes in combination with other leaks or just by sheer number.

Christopher Baluyut
2006-08-07 02:07:27
I was able to read my Yahoo! Mail messages on Firefox on my Slackware machine. I didn't encounter crashing when reading my Yahoo! Mail messages. I using
2006-08-07 02:15:45
I use Firefox 1.5.0.x on Mandriva 2006.0 and have not had any crashes like you mention at all - this us under KDE. I use Yahoo Mail with no problems and just tried the Yediot Ahranot site, only briefly - no problems at all, except that I can't understand much ;-/

One thing is that I clear my FF cache most days and this may lessen problems. There seem, from what I can see on various newsgroups, quite a few Firefox problems fixed by clearing the cache. It's certainly worth trying in your case.


2006-08-07 04:15:43
i strongly recommend you install the crash recovery extension: http://sessionmanager.mozdev.org/crashrecovery/
this has been a lifesaver for me several times, since i usually have many tags open.

although i experience crashes rarely they do happen, and they do make me wonder about the quality of firefox, so while firefox may be better than IE it is certainly not the most stable application out there, at least not on linux, which i find rather disappointing.

btw: regarding the noscript extension, the point is not to block all javascript entirely (you can already do that now), but to control where javascript runs on a site-to-site basis. you start with 'javascript off' everywhere, and when you see missing functionality, you just find the noscript icon in the bottom left corner to get a menu to turn on javascript for the site that needs it.

the advantage is that you can turn it on very selectively. pages often include images from foreign sites (usually ads) coming with their own javascript that does nothing useful for the functionality of the site. with the noscript extension you can block those, while allowing javascript only for the main site that needs it.

ironically, this site right here needs javascript for the preview, but thanks to the noscript extension i can now allow it for www.oreillynet.com, while still blocking it for ad.doubleclick.net and ypn-js.overture.com.

2006-08-07 04:44:50
I use suse 10.1 and ubuntu on a number of machines and the only crash I have experienced is with flash - once I remove flash plugins the browser never crashes - but lately I haven't experienced any crashes even with the plugin.

I suggest filing a bug with flash and ask them why they continue to treat linux as a second class citizen.

I recommend other technologies from flash just because of this subject. if they want their technology to be used on the net then they need to spend the money and develop for ALL platforms - period end of discussion.

2006-08-07 05:30:25
It must be a frustrating bummer to keep getting posts that talk about Firefox running fine.

In my home we have used Knoppix(5.0.1)/Firefox( with several PCs/chipsets and have found it to be reliable, generally. Flash can be a problem.

Two of our users are non-technical. Still, we have have very few problems with Yahoo mail. We use various options and attachments, and still no crashes.

Our users include an adolescent who utilizes every possible opportunity to dramatize life's little frustrations. Number of complaints about Firefox and Yahoo mail crashing: zero. (Yes, there have been rare complaints about other sites.)

This particular comment is cause for pause... "I've talked to friends who run Firefox on Windows and it?s stable on that platform, even on Yahoo! Mail. On Linux, however, it is totally unstable to the point of unusable."

While there are critical posts here and there, there is scant evidence in forums of this "total" instability. It is curious that one of your reputation and experience would use this rhetoric to support your complaint. One might suspect that it is frustration doing the talking, and not objective reflection.

At this point, certainly you can appreciate that many of us have no idea what the cause of your problems might be. However, if you try Knoppix, you might find that Firefox does work OK.

2006-08-07 05:34:51

I have used firefox 1.5.x on Linux for a long time and also rarely get crashes (one every few weeks maybe). However I:

  1. don't use Yahoo Mail so can't exactly compare.
  2. have two installation of firefox on my system. One with plugins installed and one without. I run normally without plugins they shutdown one and start the other when I really need plugins. This isn't about Firefox crashing but for security reasons (plugins can be a rich source of exploits). I guess this isn't exactly normal usage but I don't experence frequent crashes under either.

DC Parris
2006-08-07 06:43:33
I've been using Yahoo! Mail with no problems at all. I now have v., so I'm not sure what the problem is. Again, I just haven't experienced any problems.
2006-08-07 07:09:13
Caitlyn, it's not a fix as much as a workaround, but you might want to try Tab Mix Plus. It'll save off your current pages and snap back to them when you re-open in the event of a crash.

Lessee.. the URL is https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1122/

2006-08-07 07:35:52
I run Debian. I have no crashes.
2006-08-07 07:40:30
Firefox on Centos 4.3 works just fine (no crashes) on Yahoo mail
2006-08-07 08:29:55
Gee... I've been using Firefox for a couple of years, and most of what I see is improvements in reliability. I use Yahoo Mail, Earthlink mail, and Currently, I'm using SuSE 10.1, Gnome, Firefox (just upgraded yesterday from, Biostar board w/nVidia chipset (integrated ethernet, graphics, sound), 1.8GHz AMD 32-bit processor, DSL connection and a router. The biggest problems I see boil down to one word "Microsoft" - mostly because of really lousy output from FrontPage.

Yes, there are some "quirks", and some things I might change, but the reliability seems to be very good. I don't use ANY browser on the Windows side, as I don't really want to have to re-install windows when something comes in and attacks that partition.
Count me as a very satisfied Firefox/Linux user.

2006-08-07 09:14:48

I happen to have Xubuntu 6.06 available on a server at home. I'll try to remember to fire it up tonight and see if I have problems with Yahoo Mail. I tried for about 5 min to get Flash installed the other day, and it didn't work, so my install is still completely clean at this point. :)

Also, in reference to gee's post, there's a handy extension called the Preferences Toolbar (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/) that I find quite handy. Can allow you to turn on/off quite a few "features" on the fly. Can itself be toggled (visibility) via the F8 key as well.

Jeremy Jones
2006-08-07 10:14:36
This is odd. I'm running Ubuntu Dapper with Flash and Java and quite a few extensions and I'm not having any stability issues at all. And I use Yahoo! Mail Beta, and just checked an old non-Beta account over the weekend with no problems.
Caitlyn Martin
2006-08-07 10:39:43
First off, this isn't a font problem. No other application is impacted. This isn't a distribution specific problem as it happens on three different distributions. "It works for me" is a thoroughly unhelpful answer as I can generate as many crashes as you like. Firefox being useless to me at the time I wrote this was not "rhetoric". If I can't even check my mail without an almost immediate crash that is truly unusuable, is it not? Now that we've eliminated 90% of the comments lets go back to the 10% that are actually useful.

1. Flash is a big part of the problem. Removing the Flash plugin reduced crashes by about 90%. That takes Firefox from unusable to just plain annoying. That's still in the not good enough category as far as I'm concerned. Also, now lots of sites tell me I'm missing a plugin. Let me remind you that Opera + Flash *DOES* work without crashes. While that may, as some pointed out, not a pure Firefox issue it also raises the point that Firefox is far less fault tolerant that Opera.

2. The issues with the Yediot Ahranot website are well documented and, as Ted correctly pointed out, a Bugzilla issue exists for it. Again, those who say "it works for me" are ignoring the fact that it doesn't work for a lot of people. Yes, it can be a website non-compliance or design issue. YNet doesn't crash Opera or Konqueror yet it crashes Firefox. That tells me, once again, that Firefox, as of, is insufficiently fault tolerant.

3. Having or removing other plugins (other than Flash) seems to have no impact. There is nothing untoward in my plugin directory.

4. I will upgrade to next and see if that makes a difference.

2006-08-07 10:58:34
I am using firefox on Linux and Windows and the last few releases have all crashed on both platforms. Media content seems to be a theme here with myspace pages causing the most crashes.
2006-08-07 13:32:14
all of distros, you mentioned, have gnome support compiled into firefox. use build from mozilla.org ftp's. they work MUCH stable.
2006-08-07 16:18:00

I know this doesn't help you, but I couldn't get it to crash. I'm running vanilla Firefox v1.5.0.5 on a server install of Ubuntu 6.06 with the xfce-desktop installed. Sounds like I don't use Yahoon Mail as heavy as you, but I bounced all around in it with no problems.

I did have a thought though... are you using an alternate theme of any sort? Believe it or not, I've seen a lot of discussions on the Mozillazine forums about bad or outdated themes causing probs with Mozilla browsers. (I guess if you've tried a clean profile, this is not an issue)

Anyway, sorry I couldn't confirm your problem on another system.

Caitlyn Martin
2006-08-07 16:34:13
all of distros, you mentioned, have gnome support compiled into firefox.
use build from mozilla.org ftp's. they work MUCH stable.

Not so. Vector Linux 5.1 Standard doesn't even offer Gnome packages. They offer XFCE, KDE< and Fluxbox. Further, my crashing Firefox on Vector did come from mozilla.org. Nice thought, but not the problem here. Again, I'll report back once I've done an upgrade.

John Scott
2006-08-07 18:27:56
Im not sure why I even try to use Linux anymore? I am using XUBUNTU and have the same trouble with Firefox crashing. It may be because I have been trying to get Java and Flash Player to work too. I can certainly see why Linux has not caught on with the general public. These problems would simply drive the average person back to Windows, even with all its security holes. At least you can get your browser to work correctly.I think the Linux world should STOP creating more linux distro`s and get together and make one really good one!
2006-08-07 19:32:53
I don't know how you setup your system, but I didn't encounter such hang at all, you are one in the million I think.
2006-08-07 20:58:36
I have experienced similar crashes after installing Baghira theme for KDE.
I highly suspect a windowing theme, FireFox theme, extension or profile that is the culprit. Firefox became very stable after I uninstalled Baghira.

SuSe 10.0 (KDE)

2006-08-07 21:08:21
I've also been using Firefox on Ubuntu 6.06 with compiz and XGL, not a hitch. Never had a crash with Firefox.
2006-08-07 21:20:51
talk for yourself. have been using firefox on linux for a while and never crashed. not as fas a i remember.
2006-08-07 21:30:11
A couple of things. Something someone already mentioned in the comments was a corrupt profile. Have you tried to make a fresh profile and see if the crashes continue? I've seen profile-related crashes before, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Another thing I would ask is if you see the same stability problems on more than one machine? It may be a hardware issue; maybe the RAM in your machine. I'm pretty sure Ubuntu installs an xmem86 option in the boot menu; maybe run that overnight and see if your RAM is okay.

2006-08-07 21:31:17
Uninstall flash.
2006-08-07 21:33:44
I recommend to use an official Firefox build on http://www.mozilla.com/ if you haven't done so. I often find the builds provided by distributions are broken and crash with unreasonalbe reasons, but official builds are more stable.
2006-08-07 21:34:33
I don't see Blackdown Java mentioned here...might be worth a try if you're using Sun's Java?
2006-08-07 21:36:22
I've noticed this problem ever since version 1.2 (or whatever came after 1.01) of Firefox. I use it on Windows (at home XP Media Center and Ubuntu Breezy and Dapper and at work - W2K server). I vote for the almost always crash on Y! mail problem (and I'm not using their beta). I'm suspecting the problem is with Y! mail and not with Ffox though as it works fine with most other websites I use. A coworker at work has also seen the exact same behavior.
2006-08-07 21:39:49
Since firefox > 1.0.6, I'm often getting suffered from upgrade firefox. It just crashed for no reason, maybe the javascript on some webpage is stupid, but crash does't make any sense, and BTW: mozilla nerver crash on the same webpage.

I did what Caitlyn do exactly, reinstall, clean personally setting, restart, then crash on same page again, and mostly the crash issue were fixed in next firefox mionr upgrade, but could we just make this happen in every first major release, like what mozilla do?